![]() which is why a vampire would be immune to it. The third round effect is almost like an attack, thus the Will save, and thus why I'd say it's mind-affecting. It's a pure Divination spell for the first two rounds ("Is there anybody out there? How many?"). The reason I said you might have some wiggle room in the case of detect thoughts is that, until the third round, the spell does not actually "affect" any minds. Mind-affecting is mind-affecting, no matter the source. Recall how particular they've been about using the term "enchantment?" I have a feeling they're just as particular about such things. Sure, some things slipped through, but when I read that "immunity to all mind-affecting effects," I tend to think they meant all. When WotC designed 3E, they were very particular about saying what they meant, and meaning what they said. So it would mean that the mind-effecting (divination) would work on an intelligent undead.Įhhhh. Immunity to all mind-effecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects.) The fact that the target gets a Will save is what leads me to that conclusion. However, in round three, when the spell allows you to detect the "surface thoughts of any mind in the area," the "target’s Will save prevents you from reading its thoughts." I would rule that, even if a vampire's immunities did not apply for the first two rounds, it would here. Likewise, in round two, you would be able to determine the "number of thinking minds and the Intelligence score of each." Again, it doesn't directly target a single creature, so you could argue for it to be effective. In round one, you would detect the "presence or absence of thoughts (from conscious creatures with Intelligence scores of 1 or higher)." That isn't directly targeting a single creature, so you could argue that a vampire's immunity would not apply. a vampire for at least the first two rounds. I'd think that detect thoughts would work normally vs. It _is_ mind-affecting, but not in as direct a way as other spells, such as illusion. I looked up the detect thoughts spell and it appears that there is an opening for the spell to be at least partially effective. I haven't read through the whole adventure yet, so I'm not sure what text you're referencing, but. Just curious how other people handle this. Detect Thoughts is listed as "mind-affecting, divination".įrom the SRD3.5 there appears to be an opening for it to work: Divination isn't one of the types listed in the Undead entry. The adventure seems to indicate that it can, but I thought undead were immune to mind-affecting spells. Not to spoil anything, I'll summarize thus:ĭoes the Detect Thoughts spell work on intelligent undead, like a Vampire? I have a question about Dungeon 126's Vampires in Waterdeep adventure (not sure if that was the correct title, I don't have it in front of me).
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